Curse

Beomagi · Mar 31, 2011, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by The Josip

Blast, as in more fun - perhaps.
But you lose AoMH, you lose Asuran and BoH (as do other physicals). You lose those faster attacks (Eremite, Mystic). This is a huge amount of damage lost.

Yes - My warrior dervish misses the ridiculous 200+ damage from a single swing he used to get...

Removing asuran scan+boh+aohm was a good thing. It was ridiculous, and buffing just interrupted the flow of a fight.

No - that ONE setup isn't available anymore, and therefore, the offensive power is less - compared to that one setup. Overall, though I believe builds can put out more damage - not just comparing to the one build where you stack up on +% enhancements.

Scythe speed is overall faster. skills come with aoe effects and they can happen fairly often - e.g. pious every 3 seconds. This is your power attack.

Quick example build.
avatar of grenth
aura of holy might
pious assault
Heart of holy flame

So what's the damage like? lets say we went with avatar of grenth
You're buffing scythe damage with life steal.
pop heart of holy flame for 30 damage and tear down with pious.
That's another 50+ damage easily. 80 armor ignoring damage - and it's done while attacking. No pause. Recharge is quick too - especially under avatar of lyssa. Assuming we went Grenth though, we've got burning and disease on enemies for 20 dps for 3 seconds, 14dps for another 2 seconds.
That's another 88 damage.
On the enemies you actually hit, you've done scythe damage + life steal (say about 12 + bonus attack damage(assuming 20).

i.e. You're in avatar form with aohm active, walk up and in 2 buttons have done 200 armor ignoring damage to up to 3 enemies + raw scythe damage + aoe damage and degen to enemies around you (which weren't affected before).

It's not immediate, and of course, it may not affect all enemies, and same-conditions wont stack from other party members, but I still prefer this.

fairyblend · Apr 01, 2011, 06:17 PM // 18:17

The buff for dervish are really strong compared to the older version. My main elite skill before was only Wounding Strike on any map unless they want me to tank which is ridiculous considering warriors are better. Dervishes stands alone at the front or mid line wether support, DPS or tank. the update for dervish made everything possible for me.

When i play PvE I always go for hard mode and that always gave me problems when it comes to damaging tough (high armored and damage) monsters especially dungeons and elite maps, not without having Deep Wound but now I can just throw almost any build combined with Aura Slicer. My favourite PvE/PVP Wounding Strike has now +x damage and most of the useful enchants are flash making the dervish stronger than before. Being interrupted for me is no longer a problem when casting AoE at groups, bomb dervish before uses casting time and they have to stand still to do it, that was inconvenient for me because I have to setup myself first (cast while not being interrupted) before i can do another bomb.

PVP?? check the Guild Battle nowadays you'll see derv in it now.

kristalghost · Apr 03, 2011, 10:04 AM // 10:04

Oke quick question.
I'm a casual player and I just made my first dervish since I heard the update made it more interesting.
I was wondering what you guys would suggest for a second profession for a dervish after the update.

thanks in advance,
Kristalghost

Axel Zinfandel · Apr 03, 2011, 05:09 PM // 17:09

Dervishes are fairly self sufficient as a profession on their own, so /W if only for Save Yourselves!

Im hard-pressed to find a build better than pious Renewal builds though. Strength of Honor wont affect dervs in forms. lyssa isnt all that great in my eyes. Could be a bit better if it affected all dervish spells.

Wounding Strike builds seem to be underestimated and underrated. It got a straight up buff provided you can strip enchants. Plus it is SoH friendly as well.

I find myself to be seriously underestimating the dervish's ability to generate adrenaline though.

kristalghost · Apr 03, 2011, 05:43 PM // 17:43

thank you for the quick answer

El Gargoyla · Apr 03, 2011, 06:45 PM // 18:45

I'm currently trying this one out;
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It works out pretty well for larger groups, with Zealous Vow as energy management and Sand Shards and Armor of Sanctity for dmg around you.

Any comments on this? Or improvements?

madriel222 · Apr 03, 2011, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Im hard-pressed to find a build better than pious Renewal builds though. Strength of Honor wont affect dervs in forms. lyssa isnt all that great in my eyes. Could be a bit better if it affected all dervish spells.

SoH will affect a dervish using an avatar. These forms change the damage type from physical to some other type; they don't change the fact that the scythe is still a melee attack thereby meeting the SoH requirement. There is a tremendous amount of synergy lost by going with the avatars, don't get me wrong (barbs, mop, oop), but you can still pack SoH.

Bandwagon · Apr 04, 2011, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by El Gargoyla

I'm currently trying this one out;
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It works out pretty well for larger groups, with Zealous Vow as energy management and Sand Shards and Armor of Sanctity for dmg around you.

Any comments on this? Or improvements?

No Mysticism?

Pay full price for enchants while continuing to be shatter bait? (if zealous is stripped your SOL) No IAS? This looks like a build from pre update. There are much better options, both for dealing damage and managing your energy as a Dervish.

El Gargoyla · Apr 04, 2011, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Bandwagon

No Mysticism?

Pay full price for enchants while continuing to be shatter bait? (if zealous is stripped your SOL) No IAS? This looks like a build from pre update. There are much better options, both for dealing damage and managing your energy as a Dervish.

Okay, thanks for the comment. It's true what you say..

crucifix · Apr 07, 2011, 06:59 PM // 18:59

vow strength + sand shards will deal with about anything in pve. 12+1+2 earth, 8+1 myst, 9+1 scythe. Might be 10+1 scythe or 9+1 myst, I don't recall exactly. Staggering force + wearying is the best way to set it up for the ca and dw.

angryteen · Apr 26, 2011, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Been tinkering with my derv after the update, and if u are looking for a simple, elegant and solid AOE dps build, not dissimilar but superior to the ZV build before the patch,

AoHM+Pious Renewal+Pious Fury+ Spammy teardown skills will rock your world

uby · Apr 28, 2011, 03:35 AM // 03:35

if you want to feel like a god, try going as D/E with Avatar of Lyssa, Zealous Renewal, Kinetic Armor, and teardowns. 160'ish base armor, fully maintainable as long as you aren't knock-locked. use a +20% enchant mod.

Johnny_Guapo · Apr 30, 2011, 09:28 PM // 21:28

I think most of the "useful" Dervish PVE builds have been discussed/mentioned already, but I'd just like to say that Pious Renewal Spammer is SO much fun to play. The build in the sticky is pretty much the exact same setup I use and it rocks. Beyond that, I'm becoming a fan of Onslaught. I usually bring Rending Aura, Brawling Headbutt, and Test of Faith. I call it the "Onslaught Toucher". I tend to stay away from Avatars because I like to use Orders on my heroes, but Lyssa's probably my favorite for the quick recharge of tear-down enchantments and energy management.

Personally, I like the new Dervish update. It gives new ways to play the class. Is the new Dervish "better"? I'm not sure...but I like playing it more

reaper with no name · Apr 30, 2011, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by angryteen

Been tinkering with my derv after the update, and if u are looking for a simple, elegant and solid AOE dps build, not dissimilar but superior to the ZV build before the patch,

AoHM+Pious Renewal+Pious Fury+ Spammy teardown skills will rock your world

Actually, Pious Spam (as I like to call it) is inferior to the attack skill spam builds of yesterday. But those builds no longer work, so it's irrelevant. The Asuran Scan change nerfed all melee more or less equally. But yes, Pious Spam is the successor to those old scythe builds.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/p...t10470398.html

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/n...t10470365.html

Hmmm...my thread's a little out of date. I recently discovered that despite the lack of synergy with AoHM (and the fact that you need a zealous scythe for it instead of a vampiric), Banishing Strike is still better than Irresistible Sweep. Yep, Banishing is that overpowered. That's one skill that's really flown under the radar.

Zyph · May 01, 2011, 09:29 AM // 09:29

After some peer pressure I finally switched from a Grenth's Onslaught build to a Pious Teardown build. I'm very impressed. My only complaint is getting used to hitting Pious Renewal before practically everything, but I'm sure I'll get used to it after some more practice.

FoxBat · May 01, 2011, 09:33 AM // 09:33

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

Yep, Banishing is that overpowered. That's one skill that's really flown under the radar.

Have you some deep insight or did you miss that it replaces your base damage, including all buffs? (Don't worry, I did the same...)

reaper with no name · May 03, 2011, 05:37 AM // 05:37

Yes, I know it replaces your base damage, and no, it does not replace all buffs (only those that rely on physical damage). It will still trigger a vampiric mod, for example. And while yes, it does have less synergy with barbs and MoP and the like, it has more synergy with buffs that don't rely on physical damage (splinter, GDW, SoH), since you get more hits in the same time period. Naturally, BS might be inferior (or even more superior) depending on the team's buff setup (and that's what variants are for; I've got like 5 or 6 versions of Pious Spam), but this is for a general (no particular buffs) version.

There's not much to be said about it. It's just that powerful. It's more or less a holy damage version of the old Mystic Sweep or Eremite's Attack (possibly better, since this is skill-based holy damage, which ignores armor) with an even quicker recharge time. Despite the lack of synergy (and the loss of a vampiric mod), it ends up being better than IS (mainly because you get 2 BS's for every IS, I would think).

If you're not convinced, I can post my spreadsheet data (though I'll have to clean some of the extraneous garbage out of it from other calculations I've done first).

heavenlight · May 07, 2011, 06:32 PM // 18:32

I have been using pious derv in HM for a while now and I like banishing strike more than irresistible sweep mainly due to its low recharge. With IS, there is always a time-window where I find myself with no attacking skills to use but not so much with BS. Besides, the difference in damage between BS and IS isn't really that much due to the high armor of HM foes.

As pointed out by reaper, BS stacks with all the buffs (and IATS). Of course, if you're running Shards of Orr, BS is a no-brainer.

Vadog · May 08, 2011, 08:04 AM // 08:04

Currently use this: OgGjkqrMLSWgXg7gibmXfbzksiA
Works fine with Splinter's Weapon and SoH

FoxBat · May 08, 2011, 09:16 AM // 09:16

Yeah I misremembered. Apparently I thought that because DPS vs MoD did not actually change at all when using the skill vs not. Granted it will be better against HM armor levels, but that's not encouraging. And bring HoHF on undead level. On pious you're better off with wearying, TMS, FGJ as a trio amyway if you just want damage, thanks to the AoHM procs.